• AYESHA TAN JONES & TORRE ALAIN

    IN CONVERSATION
  • Torre

    YES aha!!!

    omg this world is so beautiful

    Ayesha

    hiiiii

    wo0o0 made ittt

    happy birthdaaay 

    Torre

    sorry im on your tentacle haha! my keyboard glitching out

    thank you so much!

    Ayesha

    haha nice winnngs

    im gonna ride this spider

    how has your day been? of course you are a spring equinox baby!!

    Torre

    its been super cute, yeah very huge birthday energy cos its also on the cusp of pisces n aries

    spent some time with friends cooking heaps of food n then we called our friend in thailand to compose a track over Skype haha

    always de-centralized lol

    Ayesha

    cosmic and earthen alignments!

    Torre

    how was your de-install process yesterday?!

    Ayesha

    woah luv that! so u created music on ur birthday? i luvvv

    what was the vibeee

    the de-install was surpsirisngly easy! maddie, sophie and ash helped... it was a big de-entalgement... i was quite numb to it, but maybe wasnt ready to deinstall just yet tho :(

    but happy to make space for all new creations!

    Torre 

    yeah i have been super curious about how that would feel, since there was such a balance of growth and destruction in the exhib --

    Ayesha

    like all the mushrooms were decayed... their spores sprayed all over the tiles

    Torre

    ahh thats amazing, i was thinking about how the trace microbes and stuff would probably never truly leave the space haha

    just sort of be gradually absorbed into all of the other echoes and architectural quirks there

    Ayesha

    the sand had hardened onto the floor of the pool, like cement... it had to be chipped off! sophie said they felt like an archeologist! which is amazing because that is the the occupation of the main character of my opera, the spirit who hung above

    the pool!

    i think there will aslways be a trace of each artist in that space

    Torre

    absolutely, its a space that can't really be occupied casually i think, because it has so many peculiarities the artist sort of has to establish an intimacy with it

     

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  • Ayesha

    yes... performaing in there and letting my voice echo in it's catherdral like chambers has been really intimate

    often the neighbors will respond, and play the piano, as if to drown me out... or maybe cos they were inspired?

    Torre

    yes!!!! even the sonic resonances, when you were singing your opera it felt like your voice was literally mapping the contours of the building

    Ayesha

    the decaying dilapidated building!

    Torre

    and imagining it floating out over the neighborhood, which is of course such a different vibe as soon as you step outside -- that imagining made me super happy haha

    who ive just been scooped up by the spidahh -- i love how everything here is vibrating and pulsating w energy

    Ayesha

    yes u can ride them!!

    mmm yes... and torre.. when are u coming to visit> we all wanna meet u IRL ! ur presence is v strong in the space even tho ur so far away

    Torre

    ahhh i wish i could teleport for real haha, it's so strange interesting being involved with a space i've never physically seen

    in an entire city ive never actually been in lol -- i guess in a way that's quite close to the heart of everything in the Underground Flower project

    Ayesha

    id love to know more about how underground flower... blossomed?

    Torre

    finding ways to extend ourselves and identities in virtual space .....the irl / url binary never has totally made sense to me i think haha

    Ayesha

    honestly... burn the binary!

    Torre

    cos we're always somehow existing beyond the confines of our particular location, circumstance, flesh and bones -- there's always a virtuality at play

    hahah for real, i had such a funny time making this avatar, its actually one i use collectively with my collaborator Rasheed, loathsomefop is the name of our music project.

    when i was changing clothes for our meeting, IMVU kept throwing up errors at me like

    WRONG GENDER FOR THIS ITEM ahaha, this projection of gender on garment and object lol

    Ayesha

    yes the gender binary on imvu needs to go! its been topic of convo in all my chats, i guess bc we all queer. in some ways the shop is super expansive in terms of the digital imagination of clothings and styles, but soo restrictive in its binary!!

    Torre

    yeah it was surprising to me to see it extended even to fantastical items like tails, wings etc

    Ayesha

    like having wings is literally sooo gender non conforming! anyone can have wings

    Torre

    exactlyyyy haha

     

  • we're always somehow existing beyond the confines of our particular location, circumstance, flesh and bones - there's always a virtuality at play.

    TORRE ALAIN

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  • Ayesha

    also ur tails... i love@@ reminds me of the chinese myth

    the fox with nine tals

    the huli jing

    they were shapeshifters!

    Torre

    yes!!! i super identify with shapeshifters of all kinds

    hmm that ties into underground flower's birth story a bit haha, i guess it began as an experiment to synthesize and explore instabilties as creative potential.

    Ayesha

    mm creating within the confines and expanding outwards!

    Torre

    creating a platform where fluid identity, hydras, temporary alliances are embraced, and where as collaborators we're free to create and explore highly coded and symbolic meanings by relating to objects, spaces, and each other online

    when it began i was living in a super itinerant way geographically, which didnt really facilitate access to the whole studio, gallery, exhib trajectory

    but was sharing temporary spaces and experiences with so many friends and chosen family in diff places and pooling them online for our private enjoyment. we really just kind of opened that process outward to others at a certain point --

    creating images as compressions of some ritual we quickly performed and documented, sharing those with others to see which vibes caught on and blossomed with the practises of strangers and new friends

    Ayesha

    it really feels like you have created such an international community of underground artists and creators, and your being, your avatar, your essence is kind of infused into it all! like seeing the work you do and the spaces u create online

    feels like a portal into the space

    Torre

    yes!!! portalling, tunnelling, sharing new n ancient n invented technologies

    i really love the way a network can function as a sort of resource-pool for material and psychic tools, stories, narratives that weave together through our projects and actions

    and its been so extremely cool to have your projects also intertwine with this!

    Ayesha

    got u a birthday cake!!

    got two of them actually

    one is spraying sparkles into the sky!

    Torre

    omg thats beautiful! low-poly amethyst sweeeets i love it!

    Ayesha

    mmm i love love love platform as portal, and this interconnectedness of international artists. i feel like ppl try to do international art collectives n they are kind of forced, but the way you curate folks with genuine threads that weave their work

    feels like an ancient sci fi tapestry

    Torre

    that's such a super cool way to describe it! like a rag rug woven out of filaments ad wires

    Ayesha

    hows the project going with the work inspired by Bautau lake, the man made lake in inner mongolia where the iphone factories sludge their waste into ?

    (im making a rag rug for a project RIGHT NOW!!

     

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  • Torre

    ah, Maman! this has been SO huge for me to realize, it's a project ive had in mind for ages and it finally came to fruition with the help of one of my fav collaborators, Ian, from Rhizome Parking Garage

    we curated the artists together around the theme of the lake, conceiving of it as a sort of offering, a communion of artifice, meeting with its great shadow source

    there's currently a feature film in the works directed by the group KOTZ, which remixes all of the individual artists' works into a semi-narrative

    Ayesha

    oh wow i love that, its like a remix of all the artist's tracks haha

    Torre

    churning, changing, eroding, shapeshifting

    exactly!

    Ayesha

    and lake as offering! yes! because its so sad that this lake was created, yet we have all been the perpetrators, we all rely on this tech in some way, even to talk now, or to share and create our work online

    so the show to me feels like some of the digital artists giving back to the lake spirits?

    Torre

    exactly, the sort of inevitable violence of participating in contemporary existence is something we really can't escape, especially when we're engaged in creative production

    which is such an incredibly sobering topic, but yeah basically the project hopes to make space for each artist to reckon with that in their own way, to work it out through their works.....kind of to meet the inevitable damage of our world halfway

    Ayesha

    ooof that gives me tingles

    yeah we have to take some sort of responsibility if we are gonna engage with these technologies.

    lets not even start on the damage of NFTs on the planet rn... its been the topic of the month, i wonder what ur thoughts are?

    Torre

    right?! i feel like this space of inevitable damage is super important to my work in general -- starting from a place of rupture, a moment where we cant imagine going backwards or really "fixing" everything, but must somehow yet strive forwards

    and hopefully to do so with as much compassion n awareness as possible -- i guess rupture is kind of a gift in that way, it makes the boundaries between things more porous, opening space for empathy

    Ayesha

    that kind of sounds like the manifesto for optimystic dystopia! the praxis i am expanding in all my work!!

    accepting hte inevitable damage, and moving forward with awareness!!

    Torre

    i call mine ecstatic pessimism ahahah omg

    Ayesha

    omggg!!! we should compare notes! i love this

    Torre

    these are like the absolute semantic mirrors of each other?! thats amazing

    Ayesha

    mind blown !! aaakk !!

    Torre

    right hahah i feel like the pixel fireworks exploding thru the sky rn

    (You performed Hi-5 with loathsomef0p)

     

  • creating a platform where fluid identity, hydras, temporary alliances are embraced, and where as collaborators we're free to create and explore highly coded and symbolic meanings by relating to objects, spaces, and each other online.

    torre alain

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  • Ayesha

    makes a lot of sense as to how and why our art connected

    through both digital and IRl pathways

    Torre

    definitely look forward to exploring these manifestos more n seeing where they meet n diverge n interconnect

    yes absolutely!!! so many peripheral events and connections leading to this moment haha

    Ayesha

    i plan to write it all out properly so yes v excited to reading more on urrrrs!!!!

    what other exciting things do u have on the horizon?

    Torre

    ACK sorry my keyboard was freezing up lol

    currently i'm planning out an exhibit in Hong Kong with some friends in the group CorpseSimulacrum, involving fashion n the lateral economy of the street market

    how about u?

    Ayesha

    mm that sounds amazing..i'm actually working on a film currently, some of which was shot in hong kong on my trip there! but up in the mountains.. so beautiful

    its a 360 survival type film.. altho i really just letting the editing process guide me on this one

    Torre

    that sounds amazing, i cant wait to see it!!

    Ayesha

    me too tbh... ( im a bit behind haha!)

    Torre

    always a bit behind hahah

    Ayesha

    what is time rn antway

    sophie and maddie just popped into my studio- they say hello!

    Torre

    i kind of love how running behind sched always leaves things a bit unfinished though haha -- it leaves room for material and ideas to mutate along into the next thing

    its like 3 AM here haha -- omg!!! hello sophie n maddie!!!!

    Ayesha

    omggg i didnt realise it was so late there!

    damn it isnt even ur bday any moreee??!?!

    Torre

    XD was so cool to pass into my next earth year of age in this beautiful world!

    thank you so much for inviting me

    Ayesha

    yes agreed, its like that annoying phrase, diamonds are made under pressure. i do feel like my last minute creations often tend to be much more raw and in the moment, so more intuitive

    it has been a PLEASURE to explore here with uuu!!

    Torre

    oh absolutely, we have to somehow shut off our calculative brains to really let it flow and theres nothing like a just-missed deadline to make that happen

    intuitive n quick n dirty always

    Ayesha

    last Q: any wishes, plans, seeds to plant for this new new year?

     

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  • Torre

    oooh good one, i really have been getting into the potential of narrative and fictionalization for healing n presenting ones truth, so im hoping to explore that more throughout my projects!

    lately i've been writing some collective texts with others and its been a super cathartic process

    Ayesha

    gorgeous! i admire your de-centralised core!

    Torre

    haaaa i just noticed i have literally been IMPALED by a huge crystal while speaking

    there's my core! SHINING

    Ayesha

    omfg u are!!

    irredescent

    Torre

    feeling super pure haha

    Ayesha

    ready 4 ur new solar cycle!

    Torre

    thank u so much for this beautiful chat xx big big love n i can't wait to talk again n combine some ideas

    Ayesha

    sleeep well torre~~~!!!

    thank YOUUU for being amazing and being born and entering this world!

    so excited for future infinite collaborations

  • ARTIST INFORMATION

    ARTIST INFORMATION

    TORRE ALAIN

    Pronouns: They/Them

    Location: Australia & China/Hong Kong

    Torre creates interfaces between artists / screens / spaces, with a focus on post-globalized subcultures. They are the initiator of Underground Flower, a curatorial collective and international network of offsite & online artists. Their work as an artist is produced entirely in collaboration with others, holding the space of a hydra or an egregore as opposed to a stable identity.

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